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Campaign Success – Go Ape drops Pollok Park, Glasgow, treetop park plans

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The plans would have seen treetop walkways and zip slides

Campaigners succeed as controversial plans to build a treetop adventure playground in Pollok Park in Glasgow  abandoned.

The Go Ape facility was given the go-ahead by dotty Glasgow councillors last year, despite a large campaign against it.

Now the firm behind the adventure course in the park’s north wood, behind the Burrell Collection, is pulling out.

Glasgow City Council has called it a “major disappointment” but the Save Pollok Park group said it was delighted with the move.

The proposed Go Ape adventure play area would have seen platforms and zip slides placed in the trees near the Burrell Collection.

Our main objective was to secure an additional attraction for park users
Robert Booth
Glasgow City Council

In March 2008, members of the planning committee at Glasgow City Council voted in favour of the plan after a special meeting and visit to the site.

Despite a continued campaign from objectors, the Scottish National Party Government decided it would not issue any restriction or call in the plan.

The scheme was referred to Scottish ministers because the council had a financial interest in the scheme.

Go Ape are understood to have now decided the venture would be too expensive to pursue.

Inquiry call

Robert Booth, Glasgow City Council’s executive director of land services, said: “Obviously we regret Go Ape’s decision not to proceed with their facility at Pollok Park.

“Our main objective was to secure an additional attraction for park users at no cost or financial risk to the council.”

Save Pollok Park campaign said it was “delighted” with the decision of Go Ape to abandon its plans.

A spokesman added: “However, the council’s failure to consult and respond to the real legal and operational issues resulted in over two years of unnecessary work and a waste of taxpayers’ money which could have been avoided.”

“We call for a detailed inquiry into the council’s futile posturing and mishandling of the Go Ape affair.”

Campaign Information Background:

We are a group of park users and many others (over  5000 signatures) who are concerned about Glasgow City Council’s proposal to give a 21 years lease covering a large part of the North Wood of Pollok Park to Adventure Forest Ltd to develop a “GO APE ” facility

Go Ape and Glasgow Council are bogged down in a legal mess

It is now established that Pollok Park ( and Knowehead Lodge ) are part of the Common Good and they will haveto go to court to remove them

This will cost either Glasgow Council tax payers or Go Ape tens of thousands of pounds  – and legal precedents are such that it is likely they will lose (and the case could take several years)

The NTS has not yet given its required consent for the proposals as they presently stand.  The dicussions to use Knowehead Lodge have got nowhere

There is no chance of a lease being signed  in time for the Go Ape proposed start date of 2010. If one is signed now it will be subject to a legal challenge

It is clear that Glasgow  Councillors (and Go Ape) contiune to be misled by Land Services

We suspect they are all now trying to find a way to wriggle out of this without accepting that they have made a total mess  – no doubt they will try to put the blame on the 5000 objetors  and those of us who have been telling them since 2007 that they got it wrong in the first place

Oposition to Go Ape’s  agressive tactics and flouting of local agreements is growing across UK

Go Ape and Glagow Council thought we would just go away- but we have shown that we undestand the legal status of Pollok Park better than them – and contiuue to win round many politicians at local and national level through our reasoned arguments and independent legal opinions . We are stronger than ever .

The Council , Go Ape and its PR company have produced no counter arguments or evidence to what we have been saying – in fact Go Ape tried to libel us in the press (Oct 2008) - a tactic which back fired as nobody believed them and made Glasgow people even more angry

So watch this space

UNDER PRESURE GLASGOW COUNCIL HAS FINALLY CONCEDED THAT POLLOK PARK BELONGS TO US  – IT PART OF THE COMMON GOOD

IT  CANNOT BE LEASED WITHOUT A COURT ORDER AND ANY INCOME BELONGS TO THE COMMON GOOD AND NOT COUNCIL SERVICES

WE SAY THAT AS IT WAS A GIFT  TO US IN PERPETUITY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE USE OF ANY PART OF IT

It is now officially established that the Park belongs to us – we have a right to use it freely without hindrance or cost as the people of Glasgow have been doing for over half a century -  it is inalienable. Depite this the Council and Go Ape are still pursuing the idea of fencing off areas ( for example the land on the right of this photo identified as the Go Ape ” training area” ) and charging us £25 to go into it

I have been using the Pollok Park since I was knee high, and have been out running and walking in the park early morning very frequently over the last few weeks, and have been regularly spotting groups of six to eight deer grazing in the very spot that Go Ape propose to masacre. These deer have probably already been trapped within the park due to motorway and continuing developments around the park, but if Go Ape were to go ahead these deer will have a substantial amount of their habitat taken away. I can’t describe what an amazing site it is to see these deer and it elates me every time to see such beautiful wildlife so close to home. I am very much saddened by the fact that Glasgow Council disregard such an asset to the park and just want to fill their greedy pockets by collaborating with whoever it takes, they seem to have no shame.
I am 32 years young and would like to have enjoyed this park just the way it is, it’s a ‘little piece of peace’ just moments away from the hustle and bustle of the secular world

We exposed  Glasgow Council’s flawed public consultation process, their cavalier treatment towards the National Trust for Scotland and that the Council and  Go Ape’s statements that they would only come to Pollok Park  if the people of Glasgow wanted them as a con

We exposed  the the fact that Councillors were misled when they approved the proposal in 2007 – because they were not told of the legal agreement in place which mean that NTS consent is needed to certain developments – nor were they told that Pollok Park is Common Good Land – it cannot be alianated and anyway the projected commercial deal to raise money for Council services is a non-starter

We exposed the “offer ” by Go Ape of 450 free places to Glasgow schoolchildren as a con –  head teachers were not asked if they would agree to the health and safety requirements or to virtually  shutting schools down to enable enough teachers to accompany the pupils- we did ask and we have not found  one school  who said they would take up the “offer”

We have exposed the poverty of the planning application- the lack of public toilets, no parking survey was done, no study of the flora to be affected was done,  the less than truthful assertion that ” we would have to look up to notice anything at all ” the visual and noise pollution of the  fences and zip wires in an area of national landscape importance . Despite this 14 Councillors voted through the application – but now the Council has recognised the flaws and is trying to get round them – see News and Updates

We rallied over 5000 signatures , held public meetings of 700+ and a vigil of 1000 people . We have shown that we are not a small group of “NIMBYs but people from all  over Glasgow and beyond who value the gift to the “Nation and the Citizens of Glasgow “ that is Pollok Park and are determined to safeguard it as it was intended even if the Council seems to have abandoned its obligations under the terms of the original gift

We have supported other campaigns in UK fighting GoApe proposals in equally unsuitable sites and exposed that they cannot be trusted – eg they have illegally felled trees in Chorley

Save Pollok Park supporters in Feb 2008 on the occasion of Pollok Park being awarded “European Best Park”

1000 people turned out to a silent vigil – to mark the site of the Go Ape development (we could only mark  part of it) - here is the proposed  site of a 120 metre mechanical slide  across an area created by  the Maxwell family in the 18th century, described by Scottish Natural Heritage as of National Landcape importance, home to several roe deer,  and gifted to the city ” to be preserved in its orginal state. Go Ape says ” we will have to look up to notice anything at all”

See  News and Updates for result of a debate with Glasgow Scouts and young people from  Greater Pollok

See News and Updates for news of a campaign similar to SPP in Lancashire

See News and Updates

Find out why this will make the Council’s attempt to use money from Go Ape for Land Services unlawful - and what you can do about it - Go to The Common Good section of this website

Another successful public meeting on 28th October heard expert views  affirm that Pollok Park is part of the Common Good of Glasgow and confirm our  views on the Legal Agreements – See News and Updates for Details

Almost 300 people attended the meeting on 28th October at Pollokshaws Burgh Hall- they unanimously endorsed 2 new resolutions

A separate meeting was also held on 28th Oct to start the setting up of  a Friends of Pollok Park

The National Trust for Scotland has publicly re- affirmed its opposition to the present proposal for  the Go Ape development although at persent it  remains neutral on possible alternative suitable sites  in Pollok Park - Go to news and Updates for Details

An Archaeological dig has just finished on the Go Ape Site – see News and Updates for more details

An Archaeological dig has just finished on the Go Ape Site – see News and Updates for more details

A lovely view of  Pollok illustrating why people feel that we need to conserve it as was intended in the gift to the people of Glasgow  – as a country estate – and not an urban theme park - sent in by supporter  Christopher S. Walton (thanks)

Cick on this Link to Gerry Fletcher’s website which has additional photos and videos (with sound ) of the Park and of  some of Save Pollok Park’s  actions to date

http://www.gerflet.co.uk/savepollokpark2008/

A packed meeting of 200 people vowed to continue to challenge the proposal . Representatives of 4 political parties were there- all of whom gave their support – Nicola Surgeon, the constituency MSP spoke as did Jackson Carlow MSP and  Patrick Harvie MSP. Others were Robert Brown MSP and Bashir Ahmed MSP. Glasgow Councillors Danny Alderslowe and Paul Colsehill also spoke and  Cllrs David Meikle , George Roberts and Margo Clark were there in support of the next stage which is to persuade Scottish Ministers to call in the application and overturn the Glasgow Council planning decision

THE REAL FIGHT TO SAVE OUR PARKS HAS JUST BEGUN  – our main strength is in our numbers- already over 5000 petition signatures Can we all be wrong?

  • To find out more about what is proposed go to The Development
  • To find why we think it is a bad deal for Glasgow go to The Proposed Lease
  • To find out about why Pollok is unique go to Historic Pollok
  • To see photos of  Go Ape and of the areas of the Park it will affect go to Photos- Go Ape/Park
  • News and Updates includes some new and older pieces of news of the campaign

Here is a mock up of a the Zip wire going across the Glade – a Conservation Area  and designed landscape of national importance (Historic Scotland)-and yet Go Ape says it will have little impact and  ” we will have to look up to notice anything at all” - are these people serious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3FFT-Qt1Q

http://www.vimeo.com/1232652

A soundtracked  slide show of the Planning  Commmitte’s  visit to the Park on 25th March – thanks to Geery Fletcher (and Joan Baez –  make sure you turn your speakers on)

http://cid-07bf495138080875.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/SPP/080414%20Save%20Country%20Park%20%202008%20by%20Gerry%20Fletcher.wmv

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They took all the trees
Put ‘em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see em
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got-till its gone

Joni Mitchell – Big Yellow Taxi- written in 1970  but the message is timeless

Pollok Park was gifted  by the Maxwell family in 1969 “for the enjoyment of the citizens of Glasgow” and the “enhancement of the beauty of the neighbourhood” This development will restrict the use and enjoyment of parts of North Wood to ordinary users, walkers etc

It will cost £25 per adult and £20 for a teenager to use – that is not the meaning  of the word “Gift”

There are agreements in place form 1939 and 1969 with the Maxwell family and National Trust – they have to be consulted and if they say no – then the Council cannot do this. Representatives of the family and the National Trust  have formally objected – so why has the Council told the Company to put in a planning application?

The red lines mark are the activity areas with some fenced off bits adn zip wires – but the planning application area is the whole area within the yellow line – there is no guarantee that these sites may not move over the next 21 years – and we believe  there is evidence that the sound of users and zip wires will carry across much of it. The blue dots mark the 2 new buildings – the Burrell Museum is botttom right- this area is 30% of North Wood and 50% of North wood outside the mountain bike track area

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